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Marverick · Jan 19, 2008, 11:36 PM // 23:36

PuG vs H/H has long been a controversy in GW since Nightfall. The reason people do not PuG is because many PuG'ers are generally narrow-minded, big-headed, and bad players, and most people do not want to risk having to group with these kinds of people.

Instead of addressing this issue directly, ANet has been imposing all sorts of ridiculous, numerical limitations on the alternative to PuG's in an attempt to stop this deviation instead of treating the problem at its root.

What I propose is to implement a sort of quest chain and possibly a mini-IQ test for one to prove one's proficiency and non-stupidity with. Upon completion of the quest[s], one will have an X sign next to his name in the party window, as well as the party search window, to inform other players that he is not a clueless, egotistical tard.

In order to prevent grind, the quest[s] should be short, completable in under 30-40 minutes, with a fully functional brain, and the player is given access to all skills for the duration of the quest[s].

Of course, one can still PuG without completing it; just that people looking to accomplish tasks may generally not join that person's group.

Suggestions? Ideas?

Something like this needs to be done. Either we get 7 heroes without any limitations (which won't be happening) or we get better PuG options to filter out the retards who ruin it for everyone else.

Tyla · Jan 19, 2008, 11:48 PM // 23:48

/signed
As long as ursan is banned from it.

End · Jan 20, 2008, 12:01 AM // 00:01

umm whats to keep someone from running it?

Jackita · Jan 20, 2008, 12:12 AM // 00:12

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Originally Posted by Marverick

What I propose is to implement a sort of quest chain and possibly a mini-IQ test for one to prove one's proficiency and non-stupidity with. Upon completion of the quest[s], one will have an X sign next to his name in the party window, as well as the party search window, to inform other players that he is not a clueless, egotistical tard.

lol

Come on man pugs are not so bad...

I enjoy PuGs and sometimes you can learn some things too and improve your skills playing.

My char is a monk and playing with pugs i have more work than playing with guildies, with guildies is easy cause almost all they know how to play, keep aggro, dont camp, etc.

But PuGs is a pandora box you never know what can you find and this factor add a lot of fun, sometimes your team could have some assholes and sometimes could have really good players

P.D: Sorry for my really bad english

Arkantos · Jan 20, 2008, 12:13 AM // 00:13

This isn't going to solve anything. People will still be stupid and will still run bad builds.

Raku Clayman · Jan 20, 2008, 12:34 AM // 00:34

This is a great post. I, for one, dread when I have to get into a PuG. Once it was only mildly annoying. Now it is a totally unpleasant experience. I find the people in the groups I am forced to join, especially the quests in DoA, to be rude, obnoxious, racist, and unintelligent.

At one time, you could do a quest and everyone would help everyone else. The experienced people helped the ones who needed experience. Now, if you are less knowledgeable of an area, you get abused beyond belief. I have over 8 million XP with my Ele and have done every quest and mission more than once. Many times I get in a group with know-it-alls that try to tell everyone else what to do and I know, from experience that they are wrong.

I think the game has attracted a different type of player in the past year. At one time, I would have conversations with the people I pugged with, from all age groups and from all over the world. Now, I just can't wait to get the quest finished. I never interact with any new people. They truly are way too stupid and moronic for any interaction. Plus, my ignore list has grown to the maximum.

Adding the "Ursan" thing has made things worse because now any moron can be an Ursan and finish a hard quest. No intelligence, no planning, no strategy, is involved with Ursans. It's perfect for those "clueless, egotistical" morons.

An IQ test would be great, but, Anet couldn't do that. 90% would fail. Maybe the ones that failed would be restricted to certain towns or districts. I say restrict them to Kamadan district 1. Oh, wait a minute, that's where they hang out now. Of course, having a "fullly functional brain" is not required to play GW. Just pay your money and let everyone in.

Personally, I would like to see special sections where people of the same age group could quest together. Too many times I think I am in a group of 12 year olds. For example, there should be sections where only people over 30 are allowed, or, maybe 18-30. This could lead to some interesting combinations. Maybe there could be districts where only women are allowed. Wait, how could you tell? Most of the women characters are boys, living out their cross dressing fantasies. So, that wouldn't work. I would like to see "no dancing" areas. I can't stand to look at another Warrior imitating John Travolta.

Seriously, though, playing the game and being able to control 7 heroes would be a cool addition. It would keep me from being forced to join groups that I clearly do not want to join.

GiZMo · Jan 20, 2008, 12:39 AM // 00:39

That's what the function of Titles has been, however it didn't weigh the amount of knowledge one has to justify allowance into a group.

/signed

wonder how it would work and if it, in fact, is credible enough to show competence. It should be a soloable thing just like the bonus mission packs.

Marverick · Jan 20, 2008, 12:53 AM // 00:53

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Originally Posted by Arkantos

This isn't going to solve anything. People will still be stupid and will still run bad builds.

You will know who they are and can avoid partying with them. Problem solved.

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Originally Posted by the end is near

umm whats to keep someone from running it?

Make it a solo quest..

I know it's not a foolproof way to weed out all of the stupid players. But it's better than nothing.

As for the 90% who would fail the IQ test... well, they can still party with the other 90% who failed it as well. Just that the other 10% of us who actually have a clue what we're doing don't have to party with them. I'm not saying that anyone who fails it gets their account banned and wastes all their money.

ANet, it's either this or give us 7 heroes. Take your pick.

Because if you choose neither, people will be gone from GW long before GW2 comes out. They will go to another MMO and get immersed in it. They will not buy GW2.

Phoenix Tears · Jan 20, 2008, 12:57 AM // 00:57

notsigned ...

stupid idea ³

say welcome to more discrimination eh ? >.>

Songbringer · Jan 20, 2008, 01:07 AM // 01:07

a pug=big headed and narrow minded? well then son welcome to the life of a pug because to say that you want a way to weed out bad players u r in fact making urself big headed and narrow minded.

Just cause sum1 isnt as good as u they should get marked so no 1 will want to play with them? How bout we mark all the top ha/gvg guilds with purple fuzzy hearts so that means there chat wont show to us normal folk. Srry but just because sum1 doesnt grind a title or play 23 out of 24 hours in a day doesnt mean they shouldnt b able to get grouped with better players.

As for the "dumb" players. Just cause u say there dumb doesn't make them dumb. Shit happens!. U wipe u start over. Its 8 man party the whole team loses or the whole team wins. Doesn't mean the war that messed up aggro is dumb or the monk who missed woh is dumb or the ranger missed the interupt is dumb. It means were human and shit happens. A hero shouldn't be as good as a person. You shouldn't get 7 heroes. Your SHOULD want to play with other players good bad or in between. Ur playing an online game with kids from 8 years old to old ppl that r 60 years old. Its an ONLINE game if you don't want to deal with people who are worse then you. GO PLAY A GAME THAT HAS SOLO PLAYER

Marverick · Jan 20, 2008, 01:27 AM // 01:27

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Originally Posted by Songbringer

a pug=big headed and narrow minded? well then son welcome to the life of a pug because to say that you want a way to weed out bad players u r in fact making urself big headed and narrow minded.

Just cause sum1 isnt as good as u they should get marked so no 1 will want to play with them? How bout we mark all the top ha/gvg guilds with purple fuzzy hearts so that means there chat wont show to us normal folk. Srry but just because sum1 doesnt grind a title or play 23 out of 24 hours in a day doesnt mean they shouldnt b able to get grouped with better players.

As for the "dumb" players. Just cause u say there dumb doesn't make them dumb. Shit happens!. U wipe u start over. Its 8 man party the whole team loses or the whole team wins. Doesn't mean the war that messed up aggro is dumb or the monk who missed woh is dumb or the ranger missed the interupt is dumb. It means were human and shit happens. A hero shouldn't be as good as a person. You shouldn't get 7 heroes. Your SHOULD want to play with other players good bad or in between. Ur playing an online game with kids from 8 years old to old ppl that r 60 years old. Its an ONLINE game if you don't want to deal with people who are worse then you. GO PLAY A GAME THAT HAS SOLO PLAYER

Why don't you retype that using proper words and then I'll consider reading it.

mmmkay i am bad · Jan 20, 2008, 01:31 AM // 01:31

/signed i dont trust pugs =)

BTW @ songbringer GW is multiplayer optional =)

Songbringer · Jan 20, 2008, 01:35 AM // 01:35

proper words? u mean proper english? kinda seems to me u would fail the IQ quest. Shorthanding makes things unreadable? your going to have a hard time in college typing as fast as a professor can talk if you dont learn how to read and write shorthand

holababe · Jan 20, 2008, 01:50 AM // 01:50

/notsigned

Just seems stupid and unrealistic to me.

JoeKnowMo · Jan 20, 2008, 02:06 AM // 02:06

GW should calculate damage dealt, damage protted, damage healed, and damage taken for all players in a pug.

GW should also have averages of these numbes for full hench groups in that area (Anet can run simulations with just hench teams in every area).

At the 25%, 50%, and 75% completion marks of the mission/quest/vanquish, if your performance is more than 10% below that of the benchmark set by the hench whose build is most similar to yours, you are automatically kicked and replaced with a henchie.

I realize that this may sometimes result in the entire team being kicked and replaced by henchies...

After you have been autokicked and replaced by a henchie 25 times, the game automatically uninstalls and your accout is deleted.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 20, 2008, 02:08 AM // 02:08

Better idea: implement a mandatory IQ test for Guild Wars. You needn't get a high score to finish it... but your IQ will permanently be displayed next to your character name. Test may be retaken once per year.

Meat Axe · Jan 20, 2008, 02:10 AM // 02:10

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Originally Posted by Songbringer

proper words? u mean proper english? kinda seems to me u would fail the IQ quest. Shorthanding makes things unreadable? your going to have a hard time in college typing as fast as a professor can talk if you dont learn how to read and write shorthand

Shorthand is all well and good when you're taking notes, but when you're on a public forum and you use internet speak instead of actually typing out the words, it makes it harder for people to understand and you won't get your point across as well as you could be. As for what you said before, I agreed with part of it, and also with what Phoenix Tears said. This is discrimination, plain and simple.

Just because someone isn't as smart as someone else, they should get marked as such? Some people don't play computer games their whole life. Some people have trouble with the game. Some people just aren't as smart as others. It can't really be helped. As long as they're trying to succeed, they shouldn't be ridiculed in this way.

I cannot believe we've come to a point where people agree with making a public display of someone just because he can't play a computer game as well as the next guy.

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Originally Posted by Raku Clayman

Maybe there could be districts where only women are allowed. Wait, how could you tell? Most of the women characters are boys, living out their cross dressing fantasies.

Although the rest of your post was terrible in so many ways, I found this section to be one that I should actually comment on. The majority of my characters are female, and I am, in real life, a man. I play female characters because I think the male avatars don't look very good. As hard as it may be to believe, I don't have any cross dressing fantasies. I doubt many of the males who play female characters do. Even if they do have these fantasies, what exactly is wrong with that? They're still human. Don't be so condescending towards your own race.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 20, 2008, 02:14 AM // 02:14

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Originally Posted by Raku Clayman

Most of the women characters are boys, living out their cross dressing fantasies.

Congratulations! You have unlocked the Ignorant Fool title track! You may now display Ignorant Fool (1) on your character. To unlock Total F*cktard, please continue talking out of your rear end.

Xebedinct · Jan 20, 2008, 02:15 AM // 02:15

I say, Guild Wars should implement something that makes it so that whenever you use internet speak or "1337 speak" in chat, you lose your ability to reproduce. Thus, less idiots in the world as we know it.

Zahr Dalsk · Jan 20, 2008, 02:17 AM // 02:17

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Originally Posted by Xebedinct

I say, Guild Wars should implement something that makes it so that whenever you use internet speak or "1337 speak" in chat, you lose your ability to reproduce. Thus, less idiots in the world as we know it.

Most of them already lost the ability to reproduce when they contracted the disease.

We must develop immunization against it.